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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Theny » 12 Apr 2017, 20:03

TheWolf wrote:I did a super-duper scientific study in like 6th grade to determine which battery brand was best. This test consisted mostly of listening to Boyz II Men (the only CD I owned at the time; hooray music!) over and over until the discman batteries died.

Duracell lasted longest. Rayovac was a close second, and far and away the best bang for the buck. Energizer was not worth the money. CVS brand sucked balls, even at a deep discount.


That's a great science experiment. I think the best one I ever did was testing what different genres of music effect your heartbeat.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby the cheese » 12 Apr 2017, 20:31

Theny wrote:IF we can get back to solar technology....I'm disappointed at the progress in this area. Elon's roof tiles are awesome. But the stuff we've conceived of on this front is woefully lacking with what we've actually accomplished. Sad!


You shouldn't be. The economic viability of rooftop solar is a scam enabled by a loophole in PURPA and a series of bad decisions by various state commissions and activist legislatures. Utility scale solar is doing fantastic things. The ridiculous drops in prices thanks to both Chinese dumping and the initiatives begun under the stimulus has accelerated the a ridiculous drop in price and ridiculous increases in photovoltaic capacity. The advent of trackers took a generator that had a terrible load curve with virtually no impact on peak load and turned it into a workhorse. As battery prices drop and capacity rises solar and cheap wind are going to put a lot of different things out of business.

Wind is a much more mature technology but the advancements are still ridiculous.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby bosux » 12 Apr 2017, 20:41

the cheese wrote:
Theny wrote:IF we can get back to solar technology....I'm disappointed at the progress in this area. Elon's roof tiles are awesome. But the stuff we've conceived of on this front is woefully lacking with what we've actually accomplished. Sad!


You shouldn't be. The economic viability of rooftop solar is a scam enabled by a loophole in PURPA and a series of bad decisions by various state commissions and activist legislatures. Utility scale solar is doing fantastic things. The ridiculous drops in prices thanks to both Chinese dumping and the initiatives begun under the stimulus has accelerated the a ridiculous drop in price and ridiculous increases in photovoltaic capacity. The advent of trackers took a generator that had a terrible load curve with virtually no impact on peak load and turned it into a workhorse. As battery prices drop and capacity rises solar and cheap wind are going to put a lot of different things out of business.

Wind is a much more mature technology but the advancements are still ridiculous.


smart grids also bringing the heat
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby the cheese » 12 Apr 2017, 20:42

bosux wrote:
the cheese wrote:
Theny wrote:IF we can get back to solar technology....I'm disappointed at the progress in this area. Elon's roof tiles are awesome. But the stuff we've conceived of on this front is woefully lacking with what we've actually accomplished. Sad!


You shouldn't be. The economic viability of rooftop solar is a scam enabled by a loophole in PURPA and a series of bad decisions by various state commissions and activist legislatures. Utility scale solar is doing fantastic things. The ridiculous drops in prices thanks to both Chinese dumping and the initiatives begun under the stimulus has accelerated the a ridiculous drop in price and ridiculous increases in photovoltaic capacity. The advent of trackers took a generator that had a terrible load curve with virtually no impact on peak load and turned it into a workhorse. As battery prices drop and capacity rises solar and cheap wind are going to put a lot of different things out of business.

Wind is a much more mature technology but the advancements are still ridiculous.


smart grids also bringing the heat


The smart grid enables everything.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby SouthernYokel » 13 Apr 2017, 09:31

Theny wrote:
TheWolf wrote:I did a super-duper scientific study in like 6th grade to determine which battery brand was best. This test consisted mostly of listening to Boyz II Men (the only CD I owned at the time; hooray music!) over and over until the discman batteries died.

Duracell lasted longest. Rayovac was a close second, and far and away the best bang for the buck. Energizer was not worth the money. CVS brand sucked balls, even at a deep discount.


That's a great science experiment. I think the best one I ever did was testing what different genres of music effect your heartbeat.


yeah this is the best grade school science experiment i've ever heard of. you actually ended up with useful information! congrats wolf, you peaked at 11.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Iron Mike Sharpe » 13 Apr 2017, 09:35

SouthernYokel wrote:
Theny wrote:
TheWolf wrote:I did a super-duper scientific study in like 6th grade to determine which battery brand was best. This test consisted mostly of listening to Boyz II Men (the only CD I owned at the time; hooray music!) over and over until the discman batteries died.

Duracell lasted longest. Rayovac was a close second, and far and away the best bang for the buck. Energizer was not worth the money. CVS brand sucked balls, even at a deep discount.


That's a great science experiment. I think the best one I ever did was testing what different genres of music effect your heartbeat.


yeah this is the best grade school science experiment i've ever heard of. you actually ended up with useful information! congrats wolf, you peaked at 11.


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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Frank the Tank » 13 Apr 2017, 10:26

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Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby mj3528 » 13 Apr 2017, 10:37

Frank the Tank wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.


well, I was off, but Uber at 50 billion, ok.

I read another article on Tesla and it said they lost $675 million last year.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby the cheese » 13 Apr 2017, 10:39

mj3528 wrote:
Frank the Tank wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.


well, I was off, but Uber at 50 billion, ok.

I read another article on Tesla and it said they lost $675 million last year.


Hey mj, hey.

$675M doesn't sound so bad, does it.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby mj3528 » 13 Apr 2017, 10:48

the cheese wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Frank the Tank wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.


well, I was off, but Uber at 50 billion, ok.

I read another article on Tesla and it said they lost $675 million last year.


Hey mj, hey.

$675M doesn't sound so bad, does it.


Huh, that seems bad.

In that same article some business analyst recommended GM as a strong buy. I am not sure I would agree with that.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Briandong79 » 13 Apr 2017, 10:49

the cheese wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Frank the Tank wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.


well, I was off, but Uber at 50 billion, ok.

I read another article on Tesla and it said they lost $675 million last year.


Hey mj, hey.

$675M doesn't sound so bad, does it.


I'm impressed you managed to find a non-time stamped article about that. That was what, 2008?

The gubmint ain't bailing out Tesla if they tank.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby the cheese » 13 Apr 2017, 10:51

Briandong79 wrote:
the cheese wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Frank the Tank wrote:
mj3528 wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:I'm sure that will end well for them. A whopping 84,000 sold last year, huh?


that was my thought. Wasn't Uber supposedly more valuable than Apple at some point a few years ago. So, yeah.


Nope. Uber topped out at about $50B. Apple's been ten times that or more for a while now.


well, I was off, but Uber at 50 billion, ok.

I read another article on Tesla and it said they lost $675 million last year.


Hey mj, hey.

$675M doesn't sound so bad, does it.


I'm impressed you managed to find a non-time stamped article about that. That was what, 2008?

The gubmint ain't bailing out Tesla if they tank.


I literally have no idea. Fucking google man.

2017 results were $6 EPS on 166.4B of revenue. So they did ok in 2017.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Frank the Tank » 13 Apr 2017, 11:02

I sold my Tesla stock (not much) when they bought Solar City. I thought it was a sign their corporate governance was too weak. They're up nearly 50% since then. OK. The lesson is I suck at stock picking.
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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby TheWolf » 13 Apr 2017, 11:06

SouthernYokel wrote:
Theny wrote:
TheWolf wrote:I did a super-duper scientific study in like 6th grade to determine which battery brand was best. This test consisted mostly of listening to Boyz II Men (the only CD I owned at the time; hooray music!) over and over until the discman batteries died.

Duracell lasted longest. Rayovac was a close second, and far and away the best bang for the buck. Energizer was not worth the money. CVS brand sucked balls, even at a deep discount.


That's a great science experiment. I think the best one I ever did was testing what different genres of music effect your heartbeat.


yeah this is the best grade school science experiment i've ever heard of. you actually ended up with useful information! congrats wolf, you peaked at 11.


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Re: Economics, Global Markets and Finance

Postby Iron Mike Sharpe » 13 Apr 2017, 11:12

Frank the Tank wrote:I sold my Tesla stock (not much) when they bought Solar City. I thought it was a sign their corporate governance was too weak. They're up nearly 50% since then. OK. The lesson is I suck at stock picking.


I thought you sold your Tesla stock after seeing them in concert at the casino.
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