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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Briandong79 » 03 May 2017, 09:41

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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby the cheese » 03 May 2017, 09:47

Briandong79 wrote:This is a really interesting read:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... immigrants


Huh. Who would have thought that Kevin WIlliamson would show some tiny measure of compassion or empathy in a National Review article? Granted he's riding his personal hobbyhorse of "poor white people are scum worse than the blacks" but damn.

Good read Dong.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Goose » 03 May 2017, 10:13

the cheese wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:This is a really interesting read:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... immigrants


Huh. Who would have thought that Kevin WIlliamson would show some tiny measure of compassion or empathy in a National Review article? Granted he's riding his personal hobbyhorse of "poor white people are scum worse than the blacks" but damn.

Good read Dong.


That was a very depressing, but well written article. However, I know why cheese liked it so much. I think he's got this money quote etched on a smoked glass panel in his McMansion entryway:

Bad things just happen, and, today, I am the bad thing that is just happening to one of these luckless and unhappy children of God. I am eviction, I am CPS, I am the check that didn’t come. I am diabetic amputation. I am cancer.


He's like the Robert Oppenheimer of personal tragedy.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby the cheese » 03 May 2017, 10:19

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the cheese wrote:
Briandong79 wrote:This is a really interesting read:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... immigrants


Huh. Who would have thought that Kevin WIlliamson would show some tiny measure of compassion or empathy in a National Review article? Granted he's riding his personal hobbyhorse of "poor white people are scum worse than the blacks" but damn.

Good read Dong.


That was a very depressing, but well written article. However, I know why cheese liked it so much. I think he's got this money quote etched on a smoked glass panel in his McMansion entryway:

Bad things just happen, and, today, I am the bad thing that is just happening to one of these luckless and unhappy children of God. I am eviction, I am CPS, I am the check that didn’t come. I am diabetic amputation. I am cancer.


He's like the Robert Oppenheimer of personal tragedy.


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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Goose » 09 May 2017, 08:38

"Your honor, if I may, I would like to proceed with the Mr. Bacon defense..."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby TheWolf » 09 May 2017, 08:40

Goose wrote:"Your honor, if I may, I would like to proceed with the Mr. Bacon defense..."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Briandong79 » 17 May 2017, 08:53

bosux - Wed May 17, 2017 7:38 am: X?i'd like your taek on the spring gun case. i have often thought of booby(!) trapping my home, and used to build elaborate traps as a kid (crushed my grandfathers foot with a brick)


Ok, I'm going to try to go off this from memory, and then I'll supplement:

For those who don't get the reference from Sux, there was a case here many years ago where an old farmer couple got sick of people stealing shit out of their barn, rigged up a shotgun. Some dude came by, broke in, opened the door, BAM, shot the dude in the leg. Think it was purposefully rigged to not shoot someone in the face, so that was probably good. Never got charged criminally but the burglar sued, won a decent amount of money, and the Iowa Supreme Court upheld it.

The real short answer is that legally speaking, it's not a very complicated case. Very few courts are going to say that it's ok to protect your lawn mower out in the shed with a shotgun, no matter how many times Bruce down the street tries to steal it. Protecting yourself in your own home is clearly a different standard. Castle doctrine wise, you're generally allowed to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself in your home. The problem is that something that fires indiscriminately is probably going to be per se reckless at the very least. My advice legally would be to just carry the gun yourself and you'll probably be perfectly fine from a legal point of view (see the Bryce Dejean-Jones vortex in the NBA section, for example). However, let's say Neighbor Gary got drunk again and opened up your door, and to further it, you forgot to lock it, and your spring gun takes his head off? You're probably in deep shit there.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby bosux » 17 May 2017, 11:21

Briandong79 wrote:
bosux - Wed May 17, 2017 7:38 am: X?i'd like your taek on the spring gun case. i have often thought of booby(!) trapping my home, and used to build elaborate traps as a kid (crushed my grandfathers foot with a brick)


Ok, I'm going to try to go off this from memory, and then I'll supplement:

For those who don't get the reference from Sux, there was a case here many years ago where an old farmer couple got sick of people stealing shit out of their barn, rigged up a shotgun. Some dude came by, broke in, opened the door, BAM, shot the dude in the leg. Think it was purposefully rigged to not shoot someone in the face, so that was probably good. Never got charged criminally but the burglar sued, won a decent amount of money, and the Iowa Supreme Court upheld it.

The real short answer is that legally speaking, it's not a very complicated case. Very few courts are going to say that it's ok to protect your lawn mower out in the shed with a shotgun, no matter how many times Bruce down the street tries to steal it. Protecting yourself in your own home is clearly a different standard. Castle doctrine wise, you're generally allowed to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself in your home. The problem is that something that fires indiscriminately is probably going to be per se reckless at the very least. My advice legally would be to just carry the gun yourself and you'll probably be perfectly fine from a legal point of view (see the Bryce Dejean-Jones vortex in the NBA section, for example). However, let's say Neighbor Gary got drunk again and opened up your door, and to further it, you forgot to lock it, and your spring gun takes his head off? You're probably in deep shit there.


i don't like this. i think you can reasonably assume that a property invader likely means harm.

can you recommend a non-lethal trap that might mitigate civil liability? what about a dog that mauls an intruder? (asking for a friend)
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Briandong79 » 17 May 2017, 11:47

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bosux - Wed May 17, 2017 7:38 am: X?i'd like your taek on the spring gun case. i have often thought of booby(!) trapping my home, and used to build elaborate traps as a kid (crushed my grandfathers foot with a brick)


Ok, I'm going to try to go off this from memory, and then I'll supplement:

For those who don't get the reference from Sux, there was a case here many years ago where an old farmer couple got sick of people stealing shit out of their barn, rigged up a shotgun. Some dude came by, broke in, opened the door, BAM, shot the dude in the leg. Think it was purposefully rigged to not shoot someone in the face, so that was probably good. Never got charged criminally but the burglar sued, won a decent amount of money, and the Iowa Supreme Court upheld it.

The real short answer is that legally speaking, it's not a very complicated case. Very few courts are going to say that it's ok to protect your lawn mower out in the shed with a shotgun, no matter how many times Bruce down the street tries to steal it. Protecting yourself in your own home is clearly a different standard. Castle doctrine wise, you're generally allowed to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself in your home. The problem is that something that fires indiscriminately is probably going to be per se reckless at the very least. My advice legally would be to just carry the gun yourself and you'll probably be perfectly fine from a legal point of view (see the Bryce Dejean-Jones vortex in the NBA section, for example). However, let's say Neighbor Gary got drunk again and opened up your door, and to further it, you forgot to lock it, and your spring gun takes his head off? You're probably in deep shit there.


i don't like this. i think you can reasonably assume that a property invader likely means harm.

can you recommend a non-lethal trap that might mitigate civil liability? what about a dog that mauls an intruder? (asking for a friend)


Remember, the property in question in the Iowa case was an abandoned building (I said barn before, upon further research it appears to be an abandoned farmhouse). That makes a huge difference. A lawyer is going to probably look at your worse case scenario and see if there is a less risky option available. That's where the rigged shotgun versus firing your own shotgun comes in. Booby traps, in general, are frowned upon in today's society. Thanks, Obama.

Dog bite in the home, completely fine. Dog bite outside the home but confined? Grayer but still probably ok. Dog bites someone reaching over a fence? Probably bad for you. The law is all about shades of gre(a)y.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby Briandong79 » 17 May 2017, 14:04

This is a hell of a read:
http://features.texasmonthly.com/editor ... ign=buffer

After nearly three hours, the chief and mayor agreed that they needed to hold a press conference. Before he headed out to talk to the media, Brown told a SWAT commander to come up with a plan to end this. He remembers saying, “Use your creativity.”

He walked out to a row of cameras and, in a quick, concise manner, explained that eleven officers had been shot and that at least three were dead. He said they were negotiating with a gunman, but they thought there might be multiple shooters. He ended with a curt, “I have to get back real quick.”

Then he got back on the phone with SWAT team commander Bill Humphrey. Brown says he nixed the idea of charging down the hallway for a shoot-out or sending officers down with a shield; he didn’t want to lose any more cops that night. Humphrey had a third idea. They could send in a robot carrying an explosive and blow the shooter up.

No department in the country had ever done anything like this. Brown worried that Johnson might shoot the bomb while it was still close to the officers. Or that the robot would get stuck somewhere—an explosive new obstacle. Or that they’d accidentally blow up a load-bearing beam somewhere and take down the whole building. But this plan still seemed like the safest option for officers. He gave Humphrey the go-ahead.


Well, that does qualify as creativity.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby the cheese » 17 May 2017, 14:09

Briandong79 wrote:This is a hell of a read:
http://features.texasmonthly.com/editor ... ign=buffer

After nearly three hours, the chief and mayor agreed that they needed to hold a press conference. Before he headed out to talk to the media, Brown told a SWAT commander to come up with a plan to end this. He remembers saying, “Use your creativity.”

He walked out to a row of cameras and, in a quick, concise manner, explained that eleven officers had been shot and that at least three were dead. He said they were negotiating with a gunman, but they thought there might be multiple shooters. He ended with a curt, “I have to get back real quick.”

Then he got back on the phone with SWAT team commander Bill Humphrey. Brown says he nixed the idea of charging down the hallway for a shoot-out or sending officers down with a shield; he didn’t want to lose any more cops that night. Humphrey had a third idea. They could send in a robot carrying an explosive and blow the shooter up.

No department in the country had ever done anything like this. Brown worried that Johnson might shoot the bomb while it was still close to the officers. Or that the robot would get stuck somewhere—an explosive new obstacle. Or that they’d accidentally blow up a load-bearing beam somewhere and take down the whole building. But this plan still seemed like the safest option for officers. He gave Humphrey the go-ahead.


Well, that does qualify as creativity.


I was coming here to post that. Use the tools you're given. Sometimes a screw driver can be a knife, or a gun can be a can opener.
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Re: I Fought the Law and The Law won

Postby chrisco » 17 May 2017, 17:01

Have not read yet, but Texas Monthly is a good source. Looking forward to it.
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