The Umpire thread

The Umpire thread

Postby Prez » 15 Oct 2013, 10:52

With the replay rule changes taking effect soon, I thought we need a place to discuss this noble profession.
Umpiring is really fucking hard, especially for amateurs like myself that usually work in a 2 man crew. It's so hard, it can kill you.

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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Gregs Kite » 15 Oct 2013, 11:58

That's sad news. I'm going to make a donation to someone.

On a lighter note, is your third strike call like this?

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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby JT99 » 16 Oct 2013, 19:46

Sure, referees should have the authority to throw cops out of games

Greenwood said he has spoken to both Gambino and Radcliffe and has concluded that "they have done nothing wrong." He said that under National Federation of State High School Association and Louisiana High School Athletic Association rules, once the game begins, a game official has "complete authority to remove whoever he needs to from (the sideline), the stands or anywhere else within the confines of the stadium."

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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Rodney Farva » 17 Oct 2013, 00:05

JT99 wrote:Sure, referees should have the authority to throw cops out of games

Greenwood said he has spoken to both Gambino and Radcliffe and has concluded that "they have done nothing wrong." He said that under National Federation of State High School Association and Louisiana High School Athletic Association rules, once the game begins, a game official has "complete authority to remove whoever he needs to from (the sideline), the stands or anywhere else within the confines of the stadium."



dude, baseball umpires thread. tsk tsk.

and nothing gives a cop authority like wearing a baseball cap with his uniform

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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Mario Speedwagon » 17 Oct 2013, 04:42

JT99 wrote:Sure, referees should have the authority to throw cops out of games

Greenwood said he has spoken to both Gambino and Radcliffe and has concluded that "they have done nothing wrong." He said that under National Federation of State High School Association and Louisiana High School Athletic Association rules, once the game begins, a game official has "complete authority to remove whoever he needs to from (the sideline), the stands or anywhere else within the confines of the stadium."



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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby JT99 » 17 Oct 2013, 06:50

Rodney Farva wrote:
dude, baseball umpires thread. tsk tsk.



Well, I'm not about to start a separate thread for Referees only.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Gregs Kite » 17 Oct 2013, 07:12

JT99 wrote:
Rodney Farva wrote:
dude, baseball umpires thread. tsk tsk.



Well, I'm not about to start a separate thread for Referees only.


Do you have personal refereeing stories? Maybe another thread is your best option.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby JT99 » 17 Oct 2013, 07:59

Gregs Kite wrote:
JT99 wrote:
Rodney Farva wrote:
dude, baseball umpires thread. tsk tsk.



Well, I'm not about to start a separate thread for Referees only.


Do you have personal refereeing stories?


Literally, zero.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Iron Mike Sharpe » 17 Oct 2013, 09:11

Hey, if we get to talk about referees in this thread, I have a proposal.

You know how in big title fights, the referees are always getting knocked out or distracted and thus miss some blatant cheating by one of the wrestlers? What if pro wrestling went with a two referee system like the hockey? I think that would help crack down on some of the blatant rule-bending. It would improve the product greatly. I think that one of the reasons people don't take wrestling seriously is because of the horrible officiating in the sport.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Clayton Bigsby » 27 Oct 2013, 10:46

Prez, can we get an in-depth analysis of the call at the end of last night's game? What would your call have been?
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Prez » 27 Oct 2013, 11:03

Clayton Bigsby wrote:Prez, can we get an in-depth analysis of the call at the end of last night's game? What would your call have been?


Some of these points are being discussed in the Sox season thread. I'm already tired of talking about it but I will say this:

Umpiring baseball is really fucking hard especially for amateurs like myself who work in a 2 man crew and have 3 or 4 different rule sets to learn. Like I've already said, Jim Joyce made the correct call but the rule itself should be reviewed...what is Middlebrooks supposed to do in that situation? He dives for a ball and is called for obstruction about 1 second later? How is he supposed to clear space for the runner instantly? Remember, intent has no bearing on the ruling.

To answer your question, I probably would not have made the obstruction call, the fielder has every right to make a play on the ball and it happened too soon after his dive. Before everyone jumps on me, I've already admitted that after seeing it many times, and reading the rule, I think the correct call was made.

ETA: IMS posted the 5 calls on his FB page with this pic:

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Craig is way inside of the bag at the moment of the obstruction, it could be argued that Middlebrooks was raising his legs to clear space for him if he had been where he should have been.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Frank the Tank » 27 Oct 2013, 11:23

Prez wrote:
Clayton Bigsby wrote:Prez, can we get an in-depth analysis of the call at the end of last night's game? What would your call have been?


Some of these points are being discussed in the Sox season thread. I'm already tired of talking about it but I will say this:

Umpiring baseball is really fucking hard especially for amateurs like myself who work in a 2 man crew and have 3 or 4 different rule sets to learn. Like I've already said, Jim Joyce made the correct call but the rule itself should be reviewed...what is Middlebrooks supposed to do in that situation? He dives for a ball and is called for obstruction about 1 second later? How is he supposed to clear space for the runner instantly? Remember, intent has no bearing on the ruling.

To answer your question, I probably would not have made the obstruction call, the fielder has every right to make a play on the ball and it happened too soon after his dive. Before everyone jumps on me, I've already admitted that after seeing it many times, and reading the rule, I think the correct call was made.


All good points.

Question about basepaths. One of the things I saw mentioned was about the "runners making their own basepaths". That was in regard to the question about whether or not Middlebrooks was on the baseline chalk, and someone was saying it didn't matter because "the runners make their own basepaths". While this may not have impacted last night's decision, to me it sounded stupid to me, since then the runner could go out of their way to try to get an obstruction call just by putting a fielder between them and the next base. Also, seemed to fly clearly in the face of calling a runner out for running out of the baseline. WTF is the concept behind "making your own basepath"?
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby mj3528 » 27 Oct 2013, 11:27

Frank the Tank wrote:
Prez wrote:
Clayton Bigsby wrote:Prez, can we get an in-depth analysis of the call at the end of last night's game? What would your call have been?


Some of these points are being discussed in the Sox season thread. I'm already tired of talking about it but I will say this:

Umpiring baseball is really fucking hard especially for amateurs like myself who work in a 2 man crew and have 3 or 4 different rule sets to learn. Like I've already said, Jim Joyce made the correct call but the rule itself should be reviewed...what is Middlebrooks supposed to do in that situation? He dives for a ball and is called for obstruction about 1 second later? How is he supposed to clear space for the runner instantly? Remember, intent has no bearing on the ruling.

To answer your question, I probably would not have made the obstruction call, the fielder has every right to make a play on the ball and it happened too soon after his dive. Before everyone jumps on me, I've already admitted that after seeing it many times, and reading the rule, I think the correct call was made.


All good points.

Question about basepaths. One of the things I saw mentioned was about the "runners making their own basepaths". That was in regard to the question about whether or not Middlebrooks was on the baseline chalk, and someone was saying it didn't matter because "the runners make their own basepaths". While this may not have impacted last night's decision, to me it sounded stupid to me, since then the runner could go out of their way to try to get an obstruction call just by putting a fielder between them and the next base. Also, seemed to fly clearly in the face of calling a runner out for running out of the baseline. WTF is the concept behind "making your own basepath"?


I agree good points, but I think it is difficult to say you wouldn't have made the call. Joyce said he made the call instinctively, and he did make it right away. I have been in situations in Court when i haven't really been paying attention to a witness's testimony, and I hear something and automatically object. I think Joyce had a similar reaction.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Prez » 27 Oct 2013, 11:30

Frank the Tank wrote:Question about basepaths. One of the things I saw mentioned was about the "runners making their own basepaths". That was in regard to the question about whether or not Middlebrooks was on the baseline chalk, and someone was saying it didn't matter because "the runners make their own basepaths". While this may not have impacted last night's decision, to me it sounded stupid to me, since then the runner could go out of their way to try to get an obstruction call just by putting a fielder between them and the next base. Also, seemed to fly clearly in the face of calling a runner out for running out of the baseline. WTF is the concept behind "making your own basepath"?


Basically, making your own basepath allows for a runner to "round" the bases without having to run in a direct point from base to base. I'm sure you've noticed that runners rounding third base are way out of the basepath and often times almost collide with the base coach...there is no problem with that. IF the runner stops half way between third and home and gets in a pickle (run down) his new established basepath is from where he is, directly to the next or previous base. If the runner deviates more than 3 feet from his established basepath, he is out.
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Re: The Umpire thread

Postby Frank the Tank » 27 Oct 2013, 11:32

Prez wrote:
Frank the Tank wrote:Question about basepaths. One of the things I saw mentioned was about the "runners making their own basepaths". That was in regard to the question about whether or not Middlebrooks was on the baseline chalk, and someone was saying it didn't matter because "the runners make their own basepaths". While this may not have impacted last night's decision, to me it sounded stupid to me, since then the runner could go out of their way to try to get an obstruction call just by putting a fielder between them and the next base. Also, seemed to fly clearly in the face of calling a runner out for running out of the baseline. WTF is the concept behind "making your own basepath"?


Basically, making your own basepath allows for a runner to "round" the bases without having to run in a direct point from base to base. I'm sure you've noticed that runners rounding third base are way out of the basepath and often times almost collide with the base coach...there is no problem with that. IF the runner stops half way between third and home and gets in a pickle (run down) his new established basepath is from where he is, directly to the next or previous base. If the runner deviates more than 3 feet from his established basepath, he is out.


I understand with respect to rounding the bases when taking more than one base, but if I guy is standing on third without any momentum, then the concept wouldn't really apply, right? The only line is directly home, plus or minus three feet?
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