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The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Briandong79 » 21 Mar 2012, 08:21

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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Bricks » 21 Mar 2012, 11:42

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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Freddy Fernandez » 21 Mar 2012, 12:55

That was phenomenal, one of the best things he has put together in a long time.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Bricks » 21 Mar 2012, 14:04

Derisive gif aside, started reading. Pretty good so far, though I hope he's not being sarcastic here:

23. Within four months, Nelson resigned as coach and GM, just a couple of weeks before Golden State flipped Gugliotta to Minnesota for the perennially disappointing Donyell Marshall. The Warriors won 26 games and the no. 1 overall pick, taking Maryland star Joe Smith ahead of the next four selections … Antonio McDyess, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett. Defensible at the time. I swear.


Smith was awesome in college and everyone pretty much agreed at the time he was the best player in the draft. Garnett was also an even-skinnier project that I seem to remember Minnesota catching an awful lot of shit for drafting where they did.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby BostonSucksMyBalls » 21 Mar 2012, 14:05

Freddy Fernandez wrote:That was phenomenal, one of the best things he has put together in a long time.


I read it. I liked it. I like when people talk about blown trades and picks.

But is Bill right about why they were booing exactly? I feel like we got a complete outsiders objective, which we did.

Bricks wrote:Derisive gif aside, started reading. Pretty good so far, though I hope he's not being sarcastic here:

23. Within four months, Nelson resigned as coach and GM, just a couple of weeks before Golden State flipped Gugliotta to Minnesota for the perennially disappointing Donyell Marshall. The Warriors won 26 games and the no. 1 overall pick, taking Maryland star Joe Smith ahead of the next four selections … Antonio McDyess, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett. Defensible at the time. I swear.


Smith was awesome in college and everyone pretty much agreed at the time he was the best player in the draft. Garnett was also an even-skinnier project that I seem to remember Minnesota catching an awful lot of shit for drafting where they did.


And Stackhouse and McDyess werent exactly world beaters.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Jew Jitsu » 21 Mar 2012, 14:22

They were pretty good, McDyess more so, and certainly on a different level than Joe Smith
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Bricks » 21 Mar 2012, 14:28

Jew Jitsu wrote:They were pretty good, McDyess more so, and certainly on a different level than Joe Smith


McDyess got badly derailed by injuries but managed to make a nice little niche for himself, way more so than Smith. McDyess would have been a dumber pick at the time, being a 6'7ish power forward, sorta classic tweener mold. Plus, whoever had No. 1 was taking Smith, can't fault the Warriors for that. He may have been undercoached, or not had enough talent around him or whatever so you can blame GS there. But a 6'11 and athletic guy who put up 20/11 two straight seasons in a loaded ACC had to go first.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby nova » 21 Mar 2012, 14:30

Joe Smith in college was what Kevin Garnett turned into in the NBA. He was a monster.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby MisterTambourineMan » 21 Mar 2012, 14:41

Bricks wrote:
Jew Jitsu wrote:They were pretty good, McDyess more so, and certainly on a different level than Joe Smith


McDyess got badly derailed by injuries but managed to make a nice little niche for himself, way more so than Smith. McDyess would have been a dumber pick at the time, being a 6'7ish power forward, sorta classic tweener mold. Plus, whoever had No. 1 was taking Smith, can't fault the Warriors for that. He may have been undercoached, or not had enough talent around him or whatever so you can blame GS there. But a 6'11 and athletic guy who put up 20/11 two straight seasons in a loaded ACC had to go first.


That's why he wrote

Defensible at the time. I swear.


Though, if you're arguing it was more than defensible, that it was the no-brainer, consensus no.1 pick, I get what you're going for. Smith was a bigger, more athletic, better defending Elton Brand in college. that's a compliment, right?


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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Bricks » 21 Mar 2012, 14:45

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Bricks wrote:
Jew Jitsu wrote:They were pretty good, McDyess more so, and certainly on a different level than Joe Smith


McDyess got badly derailed by injuries but managed to make a nice little niche for himself, way more so than Smith. McDyess would have been a dumber pick at the time, being a 6'7ish power forward, sorta classic tweener mold. Plus, whoever had No. 1 was taking Smith, can't fault the Warriors for that. He may have been undercoached, or not had enough talent around him or whatever so you can blame GS there. But a 6'11 and athletic guy who put up 20/11 two straight seasons in a loaded ACC had to go first.


That's why he wrote

Defensible at the time. I swear.


Though, if you're arguing it was more than defensible, that it was the no-brainer, consensus no.1 pick, I get what you're going for. Smith was a bigger, more athletic, better defending Elton Brand in college. that's a compliment, right?


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Right, it was more than defensible, it was pretty much a no-brainer. The "I swear" right behind "Defensible" made me unsure if he was joking or not, though. I'm probably a dumbass for being unable to tell but, meh.

And yeah, I'd say that's a huge compliment on the Brand comparison.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby RUSF18 » 21 Mar 2012, 14:50

Bricks wrote:Derisive gif aside, started reading. Pretty good so far, though I hope he's not being sarcastic here:

23. Within four months, Nelson resigned as coach and GM, just a couple of weeks before Golden State flipped Gugliotta to Minnesota for the perennially disappointing Donyell Marshall. The Warriors won 26 games and the no. 1 overall pick, taking Maryland star Joe Smith ahead of the next four selections … Antonio McDyess, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett. Defensible at the time. I swear.


Smith was awesome in college and everyone pretty much agreed at the time he was the best player in the draft. Garnett was also an even-skinnier project that I seem to remember Minnesota catching an awful lot of shit for drafting where they did.


Pretty sure he was being serious when he said that. My older brother was at Maryland with Joe so I followed him closely...he absolutely was considered the lock #1, with Stackhouse being the likely #2. I believe McDyess had a late run (possibly in the tourney?) that vaulted him.

Smith was also a very good player into his 3rd year in the league, thought to be getting a $100+ million deal at the end of it. All of a sudden, he got really soft and started being much more of a jump shooter, not that he was ever a seriously physical player. Then the Minny scandal happened and it seemed like he really suffered from it. Later on though he did become a better rebounder and glue guy, and was definitely a solid vet.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Dthefritz » 21 Mar 2012, 17:22

It may have been a no-brainer at the time, but the way i read it was giving up some ground towards younger readers who might not have remembered that.

IIRC, McDyess had a monster workout where he recorded a 42 inch standing vertical. While he likely never would have challenged KG or Duncan, he could have been the 3rd best PF of that generation (ahead of O'Neal, Brand, and Wallace) without the injuries.

While this was a very good article IMO, I was vaguely irked that he suddenly played up Webber to the max when he's been extremely harsh on him in the past.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby Bricks » 21 Mar 2012, 17:46

It may have been a no-brainer at the time, but the way i read it was giving up some ground towards younger readers who might not have remembered that.


That's what I was wondering. If it was sarcastic, it would have been off-base. Even with McDyess's athleticism, passing on Smith for McD in 1995 would have been dumb dumb dumb. Hindsight's 20/20.

I was vaguely irked that he suddenly played up Webber to the max when he's been extremely harsh on him in the past.


To stay TRU to our current banner, I did think it was funny he made a crack about Adonal Foyle playing at Colgate immediately after mentioning Steve Nash as someone GS past on given Nash played at Santa Clara. Yeah, he helped beat Zona in the 1993 tourney, but Mouse McFadden got Cleveland State a huge win in 1986 so it doesn't necessarily mean pro success. In hindsight Nash would have been a fantastic pick since he's one of the greatest offensive PGs ever and was in the area, but in 1996 that would have been going off on a tremendous limb. Plus, a main crux of the article is GS has chased a center ever since losing Parrish. Fuller was around 7'1 and really good in college so the pick made some sense.
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Re: The Warriors are Tortured

Postby mj3528 » 21 Mar 2012, 18:25

Bricks wrote:
It may have been a no-brainer at the time, but the way i read it was giving up some ground towards younger readers who might not have remembered that.


That's what I was wondering. If it was sarcastic, it would have been off-base. Even with McDyess's athleticism, passing on Smith for McD in 1995 would have been dumb dumb dumb. Hindsight's 20/20.

I was vaguely irked that he suddenly played up Webber to the max when he's been extremely harsh on him in the past.


To stay TRU to our current banner, I did think it was funny he made a crack about Adonal Foyle playing at Colgate immediately after mentioning Steve Nash as someone GS past on given Nash played at Santa Clara. Yeah, he helped beat Zona in the 1993 tourney, but Mouse McFadden got Cleveland State a huge win in 1986 so it doesn't necessarily mean pro success. In hindsight Nash would have been a fantastic pick since he's one of the greatest offensive PGs ever and was in the area, but in 1996 that would have been going off on a tremendous limb. Plus, a main crux of the article is GS has chased a center ever since losing Parrish. Fuller was around 7'1 and really good in college so the pick made some sense.


2 huge wins, don't forget Cleveland State's beating of BSMB's St. Joe's. Cleveland State also should have beat David Robinson's Navy team, but the officials would not permit it.

Your point remains though.
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